I was playing in a home game last night. Playing QT. FLop comes 8QQ. My opponent bet, all other folded, I just called. Turn comes 8. I check, the opponent bet relatively big, I just called. River is a king, they push all-in, I Insta-call. They flip over pocket kings. Lost about 2/3 of my stack.
I was thinking about how I could have played it differently. Maybe raised on the turn? Any thoughts?
Not much you can do there. The flop doesn't look scary for your hand, so call and hope for another bet is the right thing to do. The Turn makes your hand look impossible to beat, so another call is the right thing to do. Your call on the River is a must. You just got unlucky. Of course if you had a read on him, and was sure he would be having KK or AA, you could have raised on the Flop to end it there, but he probably would not have gone anywhere anyway, and you don't really want to scare those hands away in that spot, do you? In other words, the only thing you could have done was raising the Flop, but most players would just call there, unless there was a possible flush draw?
Position seems to change from your description there. Sounds like you were in the blind?
In position I would just flat a bet on the flop (if I was first to act I would bet the paired board about half to 70% of the pot). On the turn, same thing. Can't fold on the river either.
The Kings weren't going anywhere, though that is results oriented. But you should definitely be betting you own hands. Otherwise you miss value
Only way I would think about playing it differently is to be thinking about how I can get maximum value for my hand.
Sounds like you were in blinds cuz you just call the bet on flop but then on turn it says you 'check & then call' the bet. How come you chose to play a QT in blinds? Just wondering because I would think it would be one of those trouble hands to play out of position (sort of like KJ).
Its my experience that the slow play backfires as often as it works. i think the only thing u couldve done was push on his bet on the flop. otherwise he prob isnt going anywhere. i would rather win alot of small pots than lose the big ones, idk, but i think negreanu said something like that.
I think you let him have control of the board by just calling. If your reason being is to get the pot bigger fine -theres a risk in that as u saw- but you should have at least chk raised the turn or pushed after his bet. Giving him a reason to stop and rethink how strong his hand is. By just calling you gave him no reason not to think you were just fishing.
I think that you could have raised on the flop. Just playing passively and calling a bet....Does he have AQ? Does he have 88? Does he have KK? Playing OUT OF POSITION is a different story, but when you're in position and you have an opponent betting into you, don't feel as though you have to slowplay. Flopped trips is NOT a monster hand.
Also, depending on the preflop play, what hands would you have put him on? It's always good to keep in mind the player's image and what they would do in certain situations with certain cards. Obviously, by the river, he's suckered you in and got lucky. He's probably put you on a Q or 8 and knew he could win an allin bet against you.
With the passive play that was being exhibited, there's no way you're getting away from this hand. Raise on the flop. Test his limits. If it goes allin on the flop or turn, tough beat on the river. But until then, don't let him see a river cheaply. Put him on a hand in his range and play the flop and turn accordingly.
Tough call. How much does your opponent respect your table image? Unlees that player thinks your the biggest nit it would be a tough spot to fold K's in a home game. I think if anything you could have reraised his bet on the flop and I'm guessing here but he probably would have come right back over the top all in.
If it makes you feel any better I was playing and rainbow flop flop fell opponent decided to call this one down and then came turn and river. He was calling me down with ducks! Quack Quack!
Flopped trips are definitely a tricky hand especially with a lower kicker. Good chance of someone having a boat or a better kicker if you are facing a lot of resistance and aggression.
QT is my favorite hand. Unfortunately it fails a lot for me. It seems like I'm not the only one. I would of pushed on the turn. Mainly, because you have he second best hand. Your only worry should have been that river cause it could of been an 8 giving anyone a chance at four of a kind. Or, a that King. Pushing on the Turn would of been perfect play. But, thats Poker. You live and learn.
MichFran (#2) wrote: Not much you can do there. The flop doesn't look scary for your hand, so call and hope for another bet is the right thing to do. The Turn makes your hand look impossible to beat, so another call is the right thing to do. Your call on the River is a must. You just got unlucky. Of course if you had a read on him, and was sure he would be having KK or AA, you could have raised on the Flop to end it there, but he probably would not have gone anywhere anyway, and you don't really want to scare those hands away in that spot, do you? In other words, the only thing you could have done was raising the Flop, but most players would just call there, unless there was a possible flush draw?
agree here with Michfan, he would have called probably after a raise and indeed if your bet was to high he could have folded the hand. Your hand at the flop was good enough to keep him in the hand.
Yea it is a fine line between wanting someone to call to extract maximum value out of your hand, and letting them catch something for cheap... I usually get into trouble trying to slow play and lately have just been betting big and happy when they fold, a win is a win. I also have a hard time folding my monster when I bet small and they catch when the cards come out with something crazy like a four to a flush. The situation and against who depends on how to play each monster and dont get too upset if the cards just run cold, sounds like you made the right play this time and dude just got lucky, I doubt I could fold either side of this.
I think it was just a lucky river but I think you should have raised the bet on the turn just in case of some draw out. But then again he might have called you all the way to the river with the pocket kings think you didnt hit the queen. Thats just one of those hands thats tough to get away from. Next time your in that position and reraise the turn card and just becarefull of the river if it is bigger than the top pair boat.
Doubtful the kings fold at all i think sometimes slow playing sets only gets me jammed up later i dont slow play them so much anymore-just calling isnt pushing anyone off any hand
sam1chips (#1) wrote: I was playing in a home game last night. Playing QT. FLop comes 8QQ. My opponent bet, all other folded, I just called. Turn comes 8. I check, the opponent bet relatively big, I just called. River is a king, they push all-in, I Insta-call. They flip over pocket kings. Lost about 2/3 of my stack.
I was thinking about how I could have played it differently. Maybe raised on the turn? Any thoughts?
Im not saying I would fold here by any means, but that river scares me. could very easily Have KQ as well and could of been trying to slowplay just like you did... It happens sometimes unfortunatly.
You can do nothing in this situation , because you play this hand well , i will play this hand the same way as you , but this is poker , and sometimes if you really do all right , you don,t win cause of lucky river for your opponent , he play this hand really bad , but luck was on his side this hand, i think it doesn,t matter if you will raise his hand before river , cause if he started to push after flop already , he wouldn,t fold anyway , so just relax , you will win next hand in that way.
After river there was nothing for you just to find a way to get something back,but after flop it was was hard to reraise because you have a small kicker10,or you were afraid that he had 8s in his hand.after tur when board is 8QQ8 and when he raise i would go all in(but that's just me) and if he calls then we can talk about luck,but you shouldnt sell him cards so cheap...
sam1chips (#1) wrote: I was playing in a home game last night. Playing QT. FLop comes 8QQ. My opponent bet, all other folded, I just called. Turn comes 8. I check, the opponent bet relatively big, I just called. River is a king, they push all-in, I Insta-call. They flip over pocket kings. Lost about 2/3 of my stack.
I was thinking about how I could have played it differently. Maybe raised on the turn? Any thoughts?
I'm not sure there is much you can do. It's unlikely that you'll get him off Pocket Kings, even by check-raising. Really, you want to keep him in the pot on the turn and river -- it's just terribly unlucky that he spiked a 2-outer on the river. Especially with the boat on the turn, I would be playing relatively weak until the river, when I'd be racing to get my money in.
TheCol (#14) wrote: I think it was just a lucky river but I think you should have raised the bet on the turn just in case of some draw out. But then again he might have called you all the way to the river with the pocket kings think you didnt hit the queen. Thats just one of those hands thats tough to get away from. Next time your in that position and reraise the turn card and just becarefull of the river if it is bigger than the top pair boat.
On a Q-Q-8 8 board, what hand are you concerned about drawing out on you... where your reason for raising turn is 'in case of some draw out'. They could only be drawing to 2 outs & only if on AA or KK. To me this seems like a really bad reason to bet.
I think playing this differently only depends on your opponent. On the flop you are way ahead, so unless you are pretty sure this guy would only be out with a decent hand and not fold you call (assuming no flush draw possibilities). On the turn I think raising will kill a lot of action you are probably way ahead or tied. The river is just unlucky. He's got two outs, so you played it correctly. He just got lucky. I don't think this is a situation where you would argue against the slow play. Especially from the turn on.
Only slow play against an opponent you know to be aggressive, and you know to have a wide range. Otherwise, you are just missing value by passing up the opportunity to bet yourself, hoping your opponent will bet into you. An opponent who isn't prone to betting at you with weak hands is not going to pay you off with your slow play.
I was thinking about how I could have played it differently. Maybe raised on the turn? Any thoughts?