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The 2012 WSOP unbelievable momemt...can u ever fold quads? just read this...amaizing
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Romania
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#1
409
3
1 year ago
It will either go down as the greatest fold in poker history, or the worst tournament blunder of all time. It all depends on who you ask and what you believe.

Indeed the remarkable poker hand that took place during the late afternoon of the very first day of the $1 million buy-in “Big One for One Drop” was almost inconceivable. Yes, hands like this sometimes happen in the movies – where the hero busts the villain in the final climatic scene. And when it happens, serious poker players and fans always scoff at the screen and say, “that would never happen in real life.”

Well, it did.

Russian poker player Mikhail Smirnov -- a businessman and part-time poker player from Moscow -- was sitting in Seat 2. He had about 3,500,000 in his stack, which was slightly above average in chips. Smirnov was dealt 8h 8d. Pocket eights is a pretty strong hand, surely worth a look at the flop. Smirnov was delighted to catch a third eight on the flop – good for trips. And this is where this hand goes from interesting to legendary.

Sitting to Smirnov’s immediate left in Seat 3 was the CEO of the Winmark Corporation – a man named John Morgan. Picture a 71-year-old white-haired businessman from Minneapolis, Minnesota wearing black horn-rimmed Barry Goldwater-esque eyeglasses, and that’s the sterling portrait of Morgan.

Morgan’s hand won’t be divulged, which leads to one of the most interesting speculative poker mysteries of all time. Here it goes (Note that there were some conflicting sources of information on the exact bet sizes on each round, so that part of the reporting will be omitted, unless confirmed as in the case of the river bet and all-in raise).

As stated, Smirnov held pocket eights. He caught a third eight on the flop -- a board which showed Js 8c 7s. Smirnov bet out. Morgan called instantly.

The turn brought the 8s. This time, Smirnov fired another bet into the pot. It was reported that Morgan took about five seconds to ponder his action, and then decided to call.

The river brought the Ks. Now, a flush was possible. Full houses were possible. Quads were possible. And, a straight flush was possible. And here’s where the one-in-a-million poker hand goes from legendary to mythical.

With all five board cards exposed -- Js 8c 7s 8s Ks -- Smirnov fired a 700,000 bet. Morgan stalled for a few seconds, and then announced “all in” for about 3.4 million in chips. And here’s where this extraordinary hand goes from mythical to utterly unbelievable.

Smirnov tanked for a minute. Two minutes went by. During that time, Smirnov contemplated all the different possibilities. Could his opponent possibly have the Ts 9s for the straight flush? It would essentially cost a million dollars to find out. After a few more minutes, the Russian folded. Adding a flash of drama that never would have happened had the cards not been revealed, Smirnov folded his powerhouse hand face up, for the entire world to see. There they were – four eights.

Quads.

And they were headed straight for the muck.

Poker pro Phil Galfond, who was sitting at the same table and watching in utter disbelief later called it, “the craziest hand I’ve ever seen.”

While the poker world lit up with commentary that lasted the better part of the rest of the night, discussion which shall no doubt continue for months and perhaps years to come, Smirnov casually dismissed his decision, confident that he had made the right play.

Later, Smirnov was asked about the remarkable hand and his decision to fold a monster (Writer’s Note: English is not Mr. Smirnov’s first language – his comments to Nolan Dalla are printed verbatim):

“It’s hard for me to explain. It seemed like a very difficult call to make. But for me -- I think that my read of the table and when you think about this hand and it’s very easy for me to fold. It was the right play. Sometimes it’s very difficult to fold top pair, but this time I don’t know what he should have. It’s impossible for him to have full house of Kings, impossible full house of Jacks, because he did not re-raise from button (pre-flop). He would have re-raised with Jacks and Kings (pre-flop). If he has full house of Sevens, then he’d just call (the river bet). A bluff is impossible because he likes to play in the tournament and he is not a professional. I think I have no chance to win, plus he was so exited on the turn (when he made, what could be a straight flush).”

As a follow up, Smirnov was asked, “Will you be able to sleep tonight?”

“Easy,” Smirnov replied.

Mark it down. Whatever Mikhail Smirnov does the rest of his life in the game of poker, he’s always going to be known from this moment forward as, “the man who folded quads.”

As for John Morgan, he played the hand and the post-tournament situation perfectly, and with added class thrown in for good measure.

When pressed for an answer as to whether he actually had the stone-cold lock, a straight flush, Morgan smiled at first. Then, he paused. Then, he spoke.

“I’m not going to tell anyone,” Morgan said softly. “And the reason I am not going to reveal it is totally out of respect for my opponent.”

Following the short inquiry, Morgan immediately returned to the table. He took his seat alongside Smirnov. And, another hand was dealt. Then, another. And, another.

The tournament continued.
taken from WSOP.com
1010
331
1 year ago
Was watching the live streams yesterday when the announcers started talking about the hand, they didnt get into much detail about the cards played, just mentioned that quads were folded, ooch...
366
1 year ago
Wow that is bad and he is playing a million dollar game! get me to his table!
456
1 year ago
Amazing hand. Morgans reason for not revealing his hand is interesting. If it really is out of respect for Smirnov surely he should confirm he had the straight flush and at least give Smirnov the satisfaction of knowing he made a great fold.
366
1 year ago
Why would he give the information? you have to pay for information in this game. If he knows the guy is folding quads then he knows he can rep any hand in the world now!
366
1 year ago
It willl come out after the game has finished thats a fact
7
Romania
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#7
409
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1 year ago
From my oppinion he had a straight flush.... sick hand
1187
3
1 year ago
That's very impressing to read, all he did was folding quad.
The boards was easy read why would he bluff now?
7
Romania
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#9
409
3
1 year ago
All he did was folding quads??????????? sound`s like u fold quads every day
366
1 year ago
Geez seriously!! the guy can rep anything with that river! he could have flush or boat himself so many different hands and to say he has 109ss is crap the guy blats never had straight flush as he would tell people that this guy made the WORLDS Best lay down!.
IF he makes this fold more then he calls he is gonna be a very bad/losing poker player fact!
650
1 year ago
I would guess jj or maybe even 77 personally but your right this dude is a moron foldin quads.
7
Romania
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#12
409
3
1 year ago
I wuld like to be a `moron` like him whu can pay 1million dollar buy-in dor 1turny.
366
1 year ago
Yeah well you wont get to a million if you fold here.
7
Romania
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#14
409
3
1 year ago
I don`t think i will ever fold there....to hard to fold even if i put him on 9Ts i call to see if i`m right.
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11 months ago
First off: I love your narration. Secondly I missed it, but from what I can read it is definitely worth the watch. It absolutely makes a crazy hand indeed. And there is no doubt in my mind that Mr. Morgan had the nuts. Cheers to him for being so class and respectful. And to Smirnov I could have never made such a laydown, which is why I'll never be as great.
98
11 months ago
I would have shoved on the fourth eight its still quads you can fold that. When they show that the other guy didnt have a straight flush im going to laugh so hard. He probably had jacks full but a staight flush in that spot is so unrealistic and unlikely thats why I can believe that fold.
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11 months ago
2 amateurs playing like amateurs,there is no way I am folding quads...I`ve lost with a straight flush,having the bottom end and losing to the top end,but again I am never folding a straight flush or quads,mr.Russian was bluffed!
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232
11 months ago
Incredible I dont care if its $1 or a mil I cant fold quads ill take the bad beat. Well at least he shows disapline.
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Netherlands
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#19
123
11 months ago
His comments make sense! Difficult to fold but very disciplined.
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2313
11 months ago
Well i couldn`t fold quards either but i say thats becouse thats the difference between a pro and a amature we say we wouldn`t fold them but what would you really do remember they are good of reading cards i would have to say the straight flush was there and he folded like a pro would
736
1113
11 months ago
He made the decision to fold with information that we don't have as readers. He based his decision on Morgan's reaction to the 8s on the turn that could possibly given him the straight flush. I can't even begin to count all the times I have witnessed a player hit a two outer and with it won the hand when dominated, so it certainly was quite possible here. That said, I still would not be able to fold Quads in this situation, even with the money involved.
Edited by SofaKing 11 months ago
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11 months ago
The guy says the buy-in amount had no influence on his decision to fold. Yaaaaa rriiight. It had everything to do with him folding. If one million dollars was all I had to my name and I risk going busto, I would still call! There's only one combo that beats him and the chance of a "bad-beat-type-jackpot" situation is so rare. It's a horrible fold whether the other guy had straight flush or not. This reminds me of that Japanese guy who went busto with quad aces vs Royal Flush.

Smirnov's reasoning for folding might appear to make sense on the surface but there's a few things I disagree with. "It’s impossible for him to have full house of Kings, impossible full house of Jacks, because he did not re-raise from button (pre-flop)". Smirnov also said Morgan is an amateur and don't forget this is a $1M buy-in -- I would think an "amateur" might be a bit more cautious than a typical tournament. That being said, Morgan could have had kings jacks or sevens -- we don't know. He might even have the absolute nuts. But nothing is impossible and nothing is definite either. I guess what I don't like is how he talked himself into believing that Morgan can only have ONE hand. He said he thought about all the other possibilities but my belief is that the $ totally scared him into folding.

I think Morgan had pocket 7s.
98
11 months ago
I really really wanted to know what he had because I would never ever in my life fold quad anything its ok if you lose with that!!! Quad hands come so little that the chances of you losing with them is close to impossible so dont fold. I think the chances of him having 10,9 there is so low because if he did he would have played the hand at least a little different.
195
11 months ago
I think he's not telling because he did not have the srt flush and I never would have folded as for what he had my guess id the nut flush since 2 spades hit the flop he waited for a third or 77 like boyoh so unlikely to have the one hand that beats quads there I dont fold either

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