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What are your thoughts of toughness of money field vs freeroll?
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11 months ago
Personally I find it easier to make the money and final table in games where there is a buy in becasue you have to dodge less terrible players.

Other thoughts?
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11 months ago
Depends on how hight the buy is low buyins people still seem like they dont care high buyins people play like people
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11 months ago
That seems funny to me because if the players were better than wouldnt that mean they are harder to beat? Freerolls are typically bigger and have a small payout so your odds of winning are smaller, I doubt playing harder players is actually an advantage. And just to let you know, I have seen donks on extremely high stakes. The main WSOP event is a $10,000 and there are still plenty of donks there.
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11 months ago
Fr are harder base on the amt of peeps, and payout structure, bad players are everywhere, buyin or fr.
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11 months ago
Fair comments. I find that anybody playing far below their normal buy-in level can and often will play like a donk and treat it like a freeroll. Their range will widen right up and early risks will be taken! So someone normally playing $50 buy-ins and decide to play the dazzler $1 game will probably appear to be a donk but actually his plays will probably give him the best chance of making a good return.
Not sure I made much sense but hope you got my sentiment.
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11 months ago
I agree fr are very hard when a big field is there however a money buy in usally bring players better games so you always gotta play your best
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11 months ago
I personally think there is a little better play in buyins compared to freerolls.here are my reasons for this. one,the pay out structure of the tourneys are different in freeroll compared to buyins. two,i think in buyins there is alittle bit better play then in freerolls.better players can fold and pay attention to table image. in freerolls they cant fold as easyly and most dont watch table image.in poker no matter what you are playing buyin or freeroll there is always gonna be new players,players taht have huge bankrolls,and gamblers.
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11 months ago
Ehh, you might find less bad beats because people arent pushing all in with A7 in buy-in events, but it is probably easier to get ITM in freerolls. Of course you have to take into consideration how many people play in each tourney, and what percentage of people get ITM.
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11 months ago
They can both be tough.

If you can find good-value / small-field freerolls, these are your best bet. Freeroll players aren't usually the cream of the crop, so if you can play patiently and use good ABC poker skills, you can usually do well.

Huge field freerolls, on the other hand, are a real toss-up. Crap shoots, the lot of them! I don't usually play huge field freerolls (like 2000+ players), because the value is so low... and the chances of running well enough to make a top pay out just isn't high enough to warrant putting the effort in.
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11 months ago
Ive played everything from 109$ buy in to fr's and it seems its the same play mostly lol weird but true in what ive seen
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11 months ago
Well it depends what you consider to be a good player really....if your version of a good player is a player who plays "tight" then I guess yeah the play gets better. I do think the skilled players adjust to the games.

Better players are the ones who really pick you apart based off how you play. Their tendencies often will be controlled by how you play. I played many different buy in levels and honestly the truth is I tend to be more laggro in buy in games then in freerolls because the style of plays by others warrant this approach.

Everything comes down to situational poker though really its your knowledge of them vs their knowledge of you which one is more accurate usually comes out on top.
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11 months ago
nobby1510 (#5) wrote: Fair comments. I find that anybody playing far below their normal buy-in level can and often will play like a donk and treat it like a freeroll. Their range will widen right up and early risks will be taken! So someone normally playing $50 buy-ins and decide to play the dazzler $1 game will probably appear to be a donk but actually his plays will probably give him the best chance of making a good return.
Not sure I made much sense but hope you got my sentiment.
I like this statement man, I find a lot of truth in it. I think some of that is because confidence and that is a huge factor in poker, you have to be comfortable with the bets you make and you cant be consumed by the amount of money you are playing with. There will be bad beats everywhere but skill and playing with odds in your favor usually flows in the favor of the one who knows how to use them.
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11 months ago
It wouldn't be Poker if there wasn't any bad beats, sure I prefer playing small field becuase it's easier to dodge and much faster to get on final table.

I still prefer non-turbo MTT, I play on Party Poker and I cashed in a lot of times over there playing buy-in tournaments than sitting on a freerolls games, well actually satellites.
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11 months ago
My thoughts are free roll are for donks if u watch the game.the realy loose players will get knocked out then game will tiight up some.in cash game u still will get the odd donk but most will play tight and wait for cards they can play.But in the end both can be good games just my thoughts NINER 187
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11 months ago
I play hard in every game that I play...play chips, freeroll or buy-in. In the play chips and freerolls, yeah you are obv. going to get more loose calls/betting, but I feel that helps your game in that you have to be able to consider all types of players and adjust your game accordingly. There are donks in buy-in games as well, so why not use the freerolls as a learning experience for when you do risk a part of your roll We are always learning in this game
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11 months ago
Well if you have hundreds of thousands of dollars with more income coming in every month, then playing some tournament with a buyin isn't going to stop one from doing whatever they feel is good. Any two cards can win type feel. lol It's their money, they play how that want. But yeah, it makes it tough. Now a guy with 20 dollars to his name is not going to be able to play everyhand whereas a guy with millions don't really care.
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11 months ago
The hardest part about cashing in freerolls is usually the field size compared to the spots paid.
I stopped playing Merge freerolls for this reason. Some have 5000 players and even if over 99% of the players are out, you still haven crossed the bubble. Bust out at 98% of the remaining (1%) of the players and... Congratulations, you've earned a $2.20 ticket for your five hours of effort!
Edited by Marvin 11 months ago
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11 months ago
Well the donks that play freerolls also play buyins , and play no different, from what i see and gather
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11 months ago
I play no different from freerolls and buy-ins, you can't just switch your playstyle.
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11 months ago
ProBlackbird (#19) wrote: I play no different from freerolls and buy-ins, you can't just switch your playstyle.
With the exception of league and forum games, where team or reputation is a stake, I'll admit to playing like a maniac is the early stages of many freerolls.

Sometimes because I'm playing in other games and the freeroll is a distraction or, I'm not making any headway and ask myself, "Do I really want to invest another three hours in this game".

Mostly though, its because of the other players at the table. Seems to me that buy-ins tend to be tight when the stacks are even. Early in freerolls, play is as loose as it comes. If you can adjust to it, without being a complete donk, there are good opportunities to be had.
Edited by Marvin 11 months ago
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11 months ago
I guess it just comes down to how comfortable, you are with yourself. But it also has to be said that the real prize lies in Buy-In games. Freerolls are only okay to get you started.

Therefore I say buy-in games all the way.
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11 months ago
Giancarlos (#21) wrote: Therefore I say buy-in games all the way.
Absolutely.
After losing Full Tilt and PokerStars on BF, I was determined to build a bankroll without risking any more deposits. After banging my head on the wall repeatedly in the Merge freerolls and Fun Steps I did relent and deposit.

If you can manage at least a minimum deposit you will enjoy playing so much more. That said, kudos to those that manage to build a bankroll from zero.
Edited by Marvin 11 months ago

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