Easy fold

All of you are easy foldin here?

I don't see the value in calling a 37 bb shove with jj especially when your sitting on a nice stack 60 plus bb's and it will crush you if you call it.I will admit kind looks like small pair because a lot of people make that jam idk y but they do......However, I still don't see the value in finding out unless you know your opponent is shipping any pair here. And still you are just as likely to run into ak or aq and i just don't see the point flipping for almost 40 bb's.

Just wanted to add I wouldn't fault a qq fold here either........with only have 500 chips in the pot not too hard to get away from imo. However, if the guy has done this a lot and I think he ships wide I might consider calling this, but would probably still fold cause you are still only flipping vs even k.q. But, if we know he ships wide qq will crush his range so I'd snap call that vs a spaz. Now against any opponent you could argue for a call of AA, KK, and QQ but as I said unless he gave me a reason for calling this spaz bet I'm only calling AA or KK. Some may consider this too tight, but would rather be tight then flip for 40 bb's.

Thank you, onedesperatebet. Still I can see a nice perspective to take that flip because of big space that opens for maneuver if taking that pot.

well yes jj in that sot is a fold all day hope thats what you did

i also feel the same jj is just not the hand here to many hands that can beat you even ak or aq vs jj will beat you most of the time only hands im not folding would be AA kk gl and hope you made the rite call

I have to still disagree. There isn't a huge advantage over having a 105bb stack vs having a 65 bb stack to warrant it. I mean you can do anything with one stack that you can with the other.........3-bet light,etc. If you play that stack well it has just as much value as the big stack you would have. Don't get me wrong I'm looking to get that 65 bb stack in vs one of the other stacks......but only when I think they are crushed And I just don't think this is one of those spots. Anyway, did you call? And if you did what did he have and what happened?

I would fold here too...

JJ against 2 oppos all in pre aint the kind of hand i would want to risk my tourney life on...you would be left with what..4 bbs if ya lost....

you can release the hand cheaply and wait for a better spot....

i would have to agree with the poster who said they would only play with aa and kk in this situation.....

for both oppos to be all in 'light' would be a miracle at this stage of the tourney...they both have 20+ vpp...so they aint playin tight over the session...but say they have ak and aq....is a rickety flip.....ak and an underpair is prolly yer best case scenario....

but if one of em flips qq or better ya cant be surprised....they both might have ak...ya never know....

yup...i would wait for a better spot...

good post...some good debate...ty..:).

I missed that it was a 3-way pot thought the co folded. I read it quick and presumed since he was asking was just about the bb. The stack you have would be monster now that I read this again,but I'm folding even quicker now that I realize it is a 3-way pot. Not even going to make a show like I'm thinking about it. lol Best case scenario CO has AK plus imo.

I folded, both players had AQo's, low flop and they split

Guess it all depends on the gamble in the person,folding probly the right thing to do there but i have been allin with jj,some days i feel like the gamble,and it has paid off,playing my tight game,fold,playing my loose game,call all day :-)

IS this suppose to be a hard spot? only one play and thats fold. Even so i would never flat here pre.
You dont want to be flatting here for a coupe reasons.. 1) your OOP and any card over a jack and your folding to most cbets on the flop unles your chck callling and when he double barrels you have no idea where you are.
2)if you 3bet the guy you take the action from him so even if there is a over card on the flop you can rep it.
3) If we flat and it comes 773 and you check raise the flop and he instant shoves what do you do???
4) If you had 3bet him pre and he comes over the top with a bg 4bet you can fold as it narrows his range down super tight.

^ this also. You want to 3-bet there and hope to isolate the CO, perhaps even take the pot there. It's an even easier fold if/when the bb 4-bets

also, don't be concerned with what "could have been", how the board came out is irrelevant to making the decision at hand, and the correctness of that decision is not affected by the outcome of the hand.

Yeah that's an aggrevating fold to make, but I think you gotta do it

Also, it might not be the best idea to be playing JJ post-flop out of position. I'd agree with BadBoyPlayer as well, you should probably 3-bet pre-flop. However, in this scenario it could've saved you $ since one of the two players probably has QQ+

I know i'm a tad late here,however,my current ratio holding JJ from any position is about 1-10. Gawd i truly hate them.If im BB & get a flop i'll play em,otherwise i simply toss the bastiges

Fold is the only issue for that hand

Fold fold fold oh you did good fold

My opinion is to fold this hand .... is a good hand but if flop doesn't help you .....

I agree that your first mistake was flatting pre. I would put in a 3bet to ISO or take down the pot right there. As the hand was played, everyone is saying it is a no brainer fold but I don't think they would think it was so simple if they were in the moment of the hand. Sure its easy for us to scream fold on the sidelines when we have nothing invested but if your reads put them both on AK/AQ range then they have eachothers outs and your in great shape to scoop a huge pot. I think I fold, but if my reads told me they were playing AK like this I might gamble.

Yeah, i really dont see a reason to call 2 over shoves here, unless like Shark says u got them both on overs then youre way ahead. If it were just the BB shipping then i may take it as a squeeze n hafta timebank to run his numbers, OPR, SS, n check youre HM/PT stats on him.

Also id hafta agree w/Shark n raise, probly to about 1300 or so, you probly dont run into the squeeze then n u got decent enough pot odds i thin as to where u can call a ship from CO.

Yeah good fold

Its important not to be results orientated here. They both ended up having AQo making you think you should have called for sure. This is probably the bottom of BBs shove ange and the bottom of COs calling range. I think the only pairs BB ships is 88+ or 99+ unless he has been really loose. I think CO calls with only 99+ AQ+ so you're only ahead the times they show up with 88-1010. I like Joe's sizing on the reraise to 1300ish. You take away the light squeeze option and maybe give yourself odds to call COs shove.