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325
9 months ago
Good post Russ. Black Friday was certainly devastating to the online poker world but in order for a forum to survive they have to adapt to change. I made a number of suggestions myself but I didn't feel I was being listened to. If there's one thing Poker players are good at. it's finding areas that are +EV. That can be tournaments that are added money or freerolls but it can also be investments in time. If I go through the trouble of writing a good quality post am I going to be rewarded by some good constructive feedback? I'm new here and I really haven't had a good look around yet, but I think this looks like a place that wants to grow and invest in it's members.
1611
9 months ago
Just about every post that you have made here you talk about another forum. This is not that forum and I do not think it is right to put down another forum or even talk about it here. I have belonged to many many forums and they all do things in their own way. I have been a mod at a few and admin as well. That has no bearing on my time at this forum.
988
9 months ago
Well that’s a bit of an exaggeration don’t ya think. I’ve made some 165+ postings here and think maybe I’ve motioned belonging to another forum about 10 times. I believe none of my former post have every mentioned any of the names of the previous forum’s I’ve belong to and I also believe that none of those posting reflected any kind of negativity towards any of those former forums what so ever.
As far as you deciding what you think is permissible for me to discus on this forum, I’m sure the admin;s here will let me know if I step out of line. The above posting was a discussion in general on the effects that some forums have had due to “BF” and perhaps you missed the line in the posting where eye state:
“It sad to see the demise of one best forums I ever belong to”
As far as you deciding what you think is permissible for me to discus on this forum, I’m sure the admin;s here will let me know if I step out of line. The above posting was a discussion in general on the effects that some forums have had due to “BF” and perhaps you missed the line in the posting where eye state:
“It sad to see the demise of one best forums I ever belong to”
2043
9 months ago
I agree with you wingman, i also have been in plenty of forums, some big/small, but thats in the past, i am very happy where i`m at here and talk about other forums should be left in the past ovious you didn`t like them or you wouldn`t be here, now hear me i`m not trying to cause a fuss or start drama , i hate both of those issues
307
9 months ago
I try to stop by here a few times a day and look at what's been going on and being said. I don't reply to all the post and threads, but if I see something that peaks my interest, then I respond. Yes, Black Friday affected poker players world wide but most of all USA players. I'm 66 years old and on Social Security. I'm also disabled, so I can't work to earn more income. I live alone and I'm pretty much confined to my apt. So any money I can win playing on-line is welcome. Point is, I could play in many forum freerolls per week and not have to risk any of my tight budget before "BF". By some people's view I was a "Freeroll HO", but living on $980 a month, you have to do what you have to do to survive. I love the game of poker, it helps me pass the day. I look forward to when many sites compete for USA players again, if I live that long,, more freerolls LOL to play. Ya'll take care
1283
9 months ago
I look at both your pts about ohter forums i dont think russ waas doging out has old forums just saying afterBF alot of them took a huge hit on members if you ask me its becouse most of them had freerolls and members didnt have to do anything to get in them here at poker.org they make you work for your money lol but i like it keeps alot of the bs out the game
536
9 months ago
Alot of forums were depending alot from the money made by members using their links to join poker sites,thus recieving a good amount to sponsor their freerolls and buyins.
Now that those poker sites are shut down,no money is coming in..therefore,no money for games.Its not the forums fault mainly.
Now that those poker sites are shut down,no money is coming in..therefore,no money for games.Its not the forums fault mainly.
It has been tough seeing the immediate closings of forums and the slow closings of forums. Feels like a loss of a trusted friend when some of these places close down. More than half the closings can be finger pointed to Black Friday. Many forum incomes were slashed that day to -EV.
I do what I can to help the forums that I am a part of continue to thrive and prosper. And all of us who have made it to poker.org are doing our own part to keep real money online poker alive.
I do what I can to help the forums that I am a part of continue to thrive and prosper. And all of us who have made it to poker.org are doing our own part to keep real money online poker alive.
1247
9 months ago
I know which forum your talking about and i couldn't agree more. For me it started when one of the major offerings they had in which i paid money for to get the points was changed at the end. I voiced my opinion about it, got trolled by the butt lickers, things got a lil ugly and i was banned.
But hey the good thing is i found this forum, so i can thank the former for that. The guys that run this place are alot cooler and dont appear to be the dictator type. RK is one of the best mods i have ever seen on any type of forum.
I say the people make the forum and the atmosphere. If your forum is failing, maybe take a good long look at yourselves first.
But hey the good thing is i found this forum, so i can thank the former for that. The guys that run this place are alot cooler and dont appear to be the dictator type. RK is one of the best mods i have ever seen on any type of forum.
I say the people make the forum and the atmosphere. If your forum is failing, maybe take a good long look at yourselves first.
1480
9 months ago
Yeah very nice post pokeryall, I am only a main part of a couple of forums, and one of them is definitely smaller and appears to be struggling.
Black Friday absolutely had a huge effect on the poker world, at least here in America. Daniel negreanu was doing an interview with QuadJacks a couple months ago, saying that the WSOP @ 2012 definitely had less people (and less younger, 21-22 yr old online players) in the past. he said that it looked like what everybody expected the WSOP would look like in 2011 (only months after Black Friday), but 2011s WSOP still had a good turnout.
This forum is great however. This offers a lot of opportunity to improve your game, and the league playing twice a week with so many good players is great as well. Hopefully the poker world will turn around if they can find someway to undo the effects of Black Friday. it looks like they're gettign started with working on re-opening ftp, hopefulllythe US will help to legalize online poker
Black Friday absolutely had a huge effect on the poker world, at least here in America. Daniel negreanu was doing an interview with QuadJacks a couple months ago, saying that the WSOP @ 2012 definitely had less people (and less younger, 21-22 yr old online players) in the past. he said that it looked like what everybody expected the WSOP would look like in 2011 (only months after Black Friday), but 2011s WSOP still had a good turnout.
This forum is great however. This offers a lot of opportunity to improve your game, and the league playing twice a week with so many good players is great as well. Hopefully the poker world will turn around if they can find someway to undo the effects of Black Friday. it looks like they're gettign started with working on re-opening ftp, hopefulllythe US will help to legalize online poker
536
9 months ago
Until online poker gets some real legislation with teeth to protect the players,I'm not putting much faith in any poker room.
The DoJ has made alot of money from busting online rooms,and I'm sure they will go after other rooms at some point.
I expect that will shut down alot more poker forums unfortunately.They will only be able to have europeans play.
The DoJ has made alot of money from busting online rooms,and I'm sure they will go after other rooms at some point.
I expect that will shut down alot more poker forums unfortunately.They will only be able to have europeans play.
Edited by nightmoves44 9 months ago
377
9 months ago
I dont think it just a matter of black friday, people are naturally wary of things they cant control, ive dealt poker for many years, when people lose they need to place blame from themselves, so they would blame the dealers, with online poker there are no dealers to blame , so they blame the programs , ( they are fixed), then site get caught stealing money) which gives the entire industry a black eye. I personally cant afford to deposit alot of money, but it doesnt stop me from playing freerolls , and try to build up a backroll, ( unsuccessfully i might add, lol ) but i still plug away. My uncle got screwed out of 5000 from fult tilt, seeing this keeps me from trusting any site, its just the way it is. Brick and motar tourneys are to me. the only problem is i am 2 hours away from any club. damn.
519
9 months ago
nightmoves44 (#9) wrote: Alot of forums were depending alot from the money made by members using their links to join poker sites,thus recieving a good amount to sponsor their freerolls and buyins.
Now that those poker sites are shut down,no money is coming in..therefore,no money for games.Its not the forums fault mainly.
well yes and no, u r right by saying no money is comming in, however Forums (as I know as formerly forumowner) has to make decisions and adjust to what happened at that moment.Now that those poker sites are shut down,no money is coming in..therefore,no money for games.Its not the forums fault mainly.
When poker gets really big worldwide, lots and lots try to wave on that succes and make crazy offers because they did know they would make a profit in the short or long way.
It went wrong when players could choose between to much forums and forums try to keep the players by offering crazy promotions. When something happend as black friday, its nothing more then just an extra push in getting less income.
Actually nothing ordinary then a normal market! We have seen enough examples in the economicaly past
988
9 months ago
I think that forums need to understand the market they are in, sure "black friday" killed the US market, but there are millions of poker players around the world and plenty of poker rooms that still offer accessible play for those players. Poker forums can survive and thrive with out the US market if the proper strategies are put into place...
1766
9 months ago
I belong to quite a few forums, some require more work than others but those ones do give more to their members in money added tournaments, freerolls. Org is probably the only one that doesnt require you having a bankroll, so it should bring in more peeps than most do, also you can just play for yourself or if your a team player it has the option, so I think it is an excellent forum for all types of players. The only problem I see with it is the updates are not done right away which seems to frustrate a lot of players and I have not seen that on other forums.
419
9 months ago
I thought your post was a good read Russ. Not sure why anyone would get upset because you are referring to other forums or perhaps one in particular. The points you made were good. I was a member of the forum I think you are referring to and I have to say that I built some very nice bank rolls from the freerolls and the value added tourneys. Most forums make their money from rakeback through referrals and one thing I would note is that even although the forum numbers drop off the links to the poker sites through their referrals remain and therefore the rake back keeps coming. Okay the rakeback might be less because of the Black Friday restrictions on US players but they will still be taking in rake and earning.
706
9 months ago
Coming from there I am able to read "tween the lines" and filter out "the beating around the bush topic maskings" and hear what is really being said by Russ, and I agree with the comments by both wingman and panamheist I suggest a PFMC * might be in order,possibly enabling you to resolve some of your forum induced resentments and put closure to many of your past postings including this one.
*Poker Forum Member Counselor
*Poker Forum Member Counselor
988
9 months ago
Have no past issues with any forums since this is the only forum I belong to and it's been great so far. As far as you agreeing with wingman and panamhiest, they took different stances on the post, was one for and one was against, so I'm kina lost on the issue of you agreeing? And I said it before and I'll sayin it again, perhaps you too missed the point in the post where I stated
"It sad to see the demise of one best forums I ever belong to”
"It sad to see the demise of one best forums I ever belong to”
706
9 months ago
Please explain what you mean when you stated "It’s easy for a poker forum to point to “BLACK FRIDAY” and claim this is what happened and it’s the reason why. But I believe the problem for them lies deeper than just saying “BLACK FRIDAY” and I’ll just leave it at that."It sounds as though you are dismissing Black Friday as a legitimate reason for the demise of your beloved past forum and that you have unresolved "I'll just leave it at that" resentments.
This thread has been closed for new replies since it was either first created over 3 weeks ago or the last reply was posted more than 5 days ago.
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After a year or so of online poker play I found my way to several really large porker forums on the net. Most of these forums attract members by offering hosted tournaments with cash prizes, merchandise as well as trips for it’s members as well, all to be won playing inside the forum. During the online poker boom a few of these poker forums thrived and saw their membership surpass 100,000 members and the future look very bright. As for the players themselves it was a great opportunity for the average Joe or Jane to make a big splash in the online poker world without risking a ton of cash.
Sadly in April of 2011 the poker world got rivered sort of speak by the DOJ and what is now known as the infamous day called “ BLACK FRIDAY” If you play poker online at all I don’t need to explain how this day has affected the world of online poker, players and forums alike. After “BLACK FRIDAY” many of the poker forums in the 17 months seem to have fallen on hard times. With poker rooms cutting back on offered incentives to the forums because of the reduced play online and forums having to cut back on their own reward and promotions, poker forums have seen the memberships of their sites fall off to ridiculously low numbers of their new and active members alike.
The last poker forum I belong to I was a member for four years and when I joined it, at that time had some outrageous promotions. They had huge cash add tournaments, crazy cash guaranteed freerolls, trips and merchandise for the taking. However since “BLACK FRIDAY” and the lack of the owner’s participation in the day to day operations, that forum has fallen on what I consider hard times. With their active members list at an all time low and the inability to attract quality members who can contribute to the forum, they have had to cut back all of their promotions to non existent levels.
It’s easy for a poker forum to point to “BLACK FRIDAY” and claim this is what happened and it’s the reason why. But I believe the problem for them lies deeper than just saying “BLACK FRIDAY” and I’ll just leave it at that. As I look into the realm of this poker forum a little deeper, I find that it went through the ‘BLACK FRIDAY” mess right in the beginning of their start up, unless I have it wrong this forum was barley a year old when “BF” happened. Yet this forum still seems to thrive, could it be because they still offer a decent amount of cash prizes to be won for its members?
What ever the future of online poker brings for the many millions of players form around the world who like to take a few hours on the weekend to relax and play a tournament or two, I hope the mess poker has found itself in soon bounces back and stronger than ever. I do not think poker forums rely strictly on its members demanding they offer cash prizes, I would hope to thing we all get a little more out of them than just a monetary reward. It sad to see the demise of one best forums I ever belong to, but it’s nice to see that this forum looks to remain strong and go all in to the future of online poker…