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Triple Barrel Bluff Spot
848
1 year ago
You put yourself in a pretty bad situation. 67s is not a hand I would have played in the first place. I would have c/f the flop but since you bet, c/f the turn. After you bet the river, your only chance of winning is shoving the river. Even then, he'll probably put you on a FD and make the (incorrect and ridiculous) hero call. Villain's play is just insane. This is a DON - you start with 1500 chips and you need every single one of them. Otherwise, you're just spewing your fold equity that is crucial for bubble time. Conservation is the name of the game. Don't bluff in DONs unless it's a) bubble time or at least t100 and b) all-in.
DONs aren't poker so there's no need to try to outplay your opponent. It's fit or fold and nothing else. You're not here to accumulate -- you're here to outlast the field. DO NOT SPEW CHIPS in DONS. It's suicide.
DONs aren't poker so there's no need to try to outplay your opponent. It's fit or fold and nothing else. You're not here to accumulate -- you're here to outlast the field. DO NOT SPEW CHIPS in DONS. It's suicide.
Edited by bOyA 1 year ago
447
1 year ago
I agree with your strategy for DON SNG's for an ABC stlye player or a beginner. There are chips to be taken early when players are willing to play some if you can hand read even remotely its easy pickings at the micro level. Now of course as the buy in goes up the strategy must change but if you know everyone is waiting to peddle the nuts you can abuse them relentlessly.
I am sure it looks spewy but I am confident in my ablitities to recover from this especially this early on in this format and at such a low buyin. Everyones plan is to survive and it is easy to exploit this with agression in the right spots.
The point of posting this was to show how creative you can get in the right situation if the King had not come on the river I doubt I get a call having bet 3 streets. Sometimes you have to trust your reads and go with it.
I am sure it looks spewy but I am confident in my ablitities to recover from this especially this early on in this format and at such a low buyin. Everyones plan is to survive and it is easy to exploit this with agression in the right spots.
The point of posting this was to show how creative you can get in the right situation if the King had not come on the river I doubt I get a call having bet 3 streets. Sometimes you have to trust your reads and go with it.
Edited by loonyone 1 year ago
I think that bluffing in a tournament with such a buy-in is not necessary. There's a lot of players who simply do not understand how to play in these tournaments. Or just bluffing against players, which we have take notes.
If you have decided on a bluff in this situation. on the turn i would bet more - 75-80% of pot. In the river i would played a check-pass
If you have decided on a bluff in this situation. on the turn i would bet more - 75-80% of pot. In the river i would played a check-pass
loonyone (#3) wrote: I agree with your strategy for DON SNG's for an ABC stlye player or a beginner. There are chips to be taken early when players are willing to play some if you can hand read even remotely its easy pickings at the micro level. Now of course as the buy in goes up the strategy must change but if you know everyone is waiting to peddle the nuts you can abuse them relentlessly.
I am sure it looks spewy but I am confident in my ablitities to recover from this especially this early on in this format and at such a low buyin. Everyones plan is to survive and it is easy to exploit this with agression in the right spots.
The point of posting this was to show how creative you can get in the right situation if the King had not come on the river I doubt I get a call having bet 3 streets. Sometimes you have to trust your reads and go with it.
agression in the right spots is key. if you have a spot on read go with it. not every move is always sexy. we cant always trap with a monster sometimes we can flat out outplay lesser competition. Think of it like a horror some monsters need 3 bullets to die and even 2 shots doesnt cut it sometimes,I am sure it looks spewy but I am confident in my ablitities to recover from this especially this early on in this format and at such a low buyin. Everyones plan is to survive and it is easy to exploit this with agression in the right spots.
The point of posting this was to show how creative you can get in the right situation if the King had not come on the river I doubt I get a call having bet 3 streets. Sometimes you have to trust your reads and go with it.
848
1 year ago
I think being creative will only work if you're a) playing poker and b) playing against "thinking" players. DONs aren't poker and at micros, there's just too many players that don't think. Great example is villain calling you down to the river with no pair, no draw and just happened to spike his K. Both of you were trying to play poker which I think is a big no-no. The creative approach is too risky for an objective (accumulating chips) that doesn't apply to DONs. Plus, you can only double your $ should your "early play" (which I doubt) help you survive. The risk/reward just isn't there. The biggest mistake you can do in playing DONs is to treat it like a cash game or MTT.
Let the guys that want to accumulate chips in a DON do you the favour and knock everyone out.
Let the guys that want to accumulate chips in a DON do you the favour and knock everyone out.
Edited by bOyA 1 year ago
2047
1 year ago
Well from what i see you had nothing to even bet with specially betting $296 after river with nothing, i would think i didn`t have anything to bet with, there was 5 cards besides the king from the river card to beat you not even concidering a small pp that would beat you, i myself dont think i would of betted after the flop
848
1 year ago
SashaSAS (#8) wrote:
Many times I was convinced of this on my own experience
That's just the thing and I've made the same mistake countless times as in RK's post. If you have no reads on someone, don't bluff them. Just bcuz you and I wouldn't make the call doesn't mean Random Villain won't. I also think it's bcuz some people just don't want to get bluffed and are willing to risk their tournament life to make that hero call.bOyA (#6) wrote: b) playing against "thinking" players.
I think that this is the most important thing for a bluff. Bluffing against a bad player or a "phone" - I think it is a meaninfless idea. He never sends in pass his "beautiful" cards Many times I was convinced of this on my own experience
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Here was a spot where given the actions and it being early on I thought it would be a good spot to run a bluff. Suited connectors I like to call with early on when the M level is still high and there is still room to play some poker before you get to where you have to commit too much of your stack.
Betting into two players plus the preflop raiser is a show of strength, I can reasonably determine villian does not have a queen or set here would most likely raise to protect against the flush draw so if not afraid of a draw could have on himself. The turn does not help the range I put him on so time to barrel now when he calls still looks like a draw the river an over card to the board if I had a queen I certainly would not bet it being afraid of a king. Since I have neither and the draw did not come in I fire the third barrel to fold out the busted draws. Unfortunately this time villian just happen to catch on the river.
MERGE_GAME #5343349000005: Holdem NL Tournament 04/16/2012 20:56:05
Table $1 NL Holdem Double Up - 10 Handed, 53432080, Seats 10 (Tournament: $1 NL Holdem Double Up - 10 Handed, 53432080 Buy-In: $1+$0.08)
Seat 1: AFTadpole ($1,910.00 in chips)
Seat 2: ohio1984 ($1,300.00 in chips)
Seat 3: skrillacanONM ($1,270.00 in chips)
Seat 4: martelldk ($1,210.00 in chips)
Seat 5: waz131313 ($1,480.00 in chips)
Seat 6: marcospapa ($1,470.00 in chips)
Seat 7: tnt0203 ($1,470.00 in chips)
Seat 8: Ushouldnotfold ($1,470.00 in chips) DEALER
Seat 9: Lukky2222 ($2,030.00 in chips)
Seat 10: foot3200 ($1,360.00 in chips)
Lukky2222: Post SB $10.00
foot3200: Post BB $20.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ushouldnotfold [7d 6d]
AFTadpole: Raise $40.00
ohio1984: Fold
skrillacanONM: Fold
martelldk: Fold
waz131313: Fold
marcospapa: Fold
tnt0203: Fold
Ushouldnotfold: Call $40.00
Lukky2222: Call $30.00
foot3200: Fold
*** FLOP *** [2s 9s Qh]
Lukky2222: Check
AFTadpole: Check
Ushouldnotfold: Bet $73.00
Lukky2222: Call $73.00
AFTadpole: Fold
*** TURN ***
Lukky2222: Check
Ushouldnotfold: Bet $137.00
Lukky2222: Call $137.00
*** RIVER ***
Lukky2222: Check
Ushouldnotfold: Bet $296.00
Lukky2222: Call $296.00
*** SUMMARY ***
Ushouldnotfold: Shows [7d 6d]
Lukky2222: Shows [Kd 7s]
Lukky2222: wins $1,152.00
What are some of your thoughts on how I played the hand and my reasoning for doing so?