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Today we live in a more interesting world than yesterday...

First of all...congrats to the President on winning the election. The cat is certainly now well and truly amongst the pigeons. I bet Ivana is quietly kicking herself. It is certainly, imo, a victory for personal ambition over the ideal of selfless service( as would a Hillary victory be too of course).

This raises some questions i would like to ask, particularly to our colonial cousins across the pond.

How do we think this will change the world...globally as well as ( the USA )domestically?

Do we think he will be able to turn his ( somewhat crazy imo) ideas into reality...or will congress put the shackles on his more extreme visions of how the world and the USA should be?

How will world trade be affected ? How will the USA military campaigns in Asia ( and elsewhere) be affected? Is the USA likely to use more, or less extreme solutions towards the existing and future global conflicts? After all, no matter who wins a vote, the government is always re-elected.

All opinions and food for thought and discussion are most gratefully appreciated...and lets try to keep it as clean and polite as possible.

Peace and Love to all....may the farce be with ya...it is certainly strong today, Obi-wan.


above...the turtle swims on regardless.
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Right now I think it's going to be totally unpredictable what Trump does domestically and overseas, but I also think that his supporters are going to demand a number of changes so let's see if he makes those changes and how the entire country is affected. I know there are a lot of disappointed people today, but somewhere in my youth I remember the phrase "Ugly America" or something like that and I guess Trump appealed to a section of the country that like his brash and arrogant talk but is that good for America? All we can do is wait and see.
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coachlary59 (#2) wrote: Right now I think it's going to be totally unpredictable what Trump does domestically and overseas, but I also think that his supporters are going to demand a number of changes so let's see if he makes those changes and how the entire country is affected. I know there are a lot of disappointed people today, but somewhere in my youth I remember the phrase "Ugly America" or something like that and I guess Trump appealed to a section of the country that like his brash and arrogant talk but is that good for America? All we can do is wait and see.
Well said Larry!!!! Only thing i will add is, we as Americans, ALL Americans, need to work together!
6 months ago
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monkey (#1) wrote: Today we live in a more interesting world than yesterday...

First of all...congrats to the President on winning the election. The cat is certainly now well and truly amongst the pigeons. I bet Ivana is quietly kicking herself. It is certainly, imo, a victory for personal ambition over the ideal of selfless service( as would a Hillary victory be too of course).

This raises some questions i would like to ask, particularly to our colonial cousins across the pond.

How do we think this will change the world...globally as well as ( the USA )domestically?

Do we think he will be able to turn his ( somewhat crazy imo) ideas into reality...or will congress put the shackles on his more extreme visions of how the world and the USA should be?

How will world trade be affected ? How will the USA military campaigns in Asia ( and elsewhere) be affected? Is the USA likely to use more, or less extreme solutions towards the existing and future global conflicts? After all, no matter who wins a vote, the government is always re-elected.

All opinions and food for thought and discussion are most gratefully appreciated...and lets try to keep it as clean and polite as possible.

Peace and Love to all....may the farce be with ya...it is certainly strong today, Obi-wan.


above...the turtle swims on regardless.
These are questions that everyone ask the day after a presidential election. Time will tell, just as it has been in the past.
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Lol pokerverse....yup...

"These are questions that everyone ask the day after a presidential election..."...yup...this is the statement everyone makes after reading such a series of questions...

but the point of the post is that i am asking for your speculations...i would like to know YOUR thoughts...yup...i really would...
...scary, huh...

6 months ago
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Think there is a great potential with the House and Senate gaining the majority to focus on America and the issues that were campaigned on. Globally, think the stock market asked that question when it was close to being called. With Republicans holding the fort down in Washington, military historically will be strong. Not Ronald Reagan type strong spending wise. Certainly shouldn't be any excuses to see an agenda move forward.

People were looking for change, they spoke and now we sit back like we have 44 times before and see what happens, scary huh?
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I am appalled that America elected a guy who mocked the disabled, made sexually harassing remarks towards women and about women and made remarks about minorities...but that's why they play the game right. I think the world is unsure of what will come in the next few years but for America the republicans are gloating as they control the presidency, the house and the senate, say bye bye to the affordable care act among other things we have come accustom to in the past few years. Put your seatbelts on America your in for a bumpy ride.
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cheapseats (#7) wrote: I am appalled that America elected a guy who mocked the disabled, made sexually harassing remarks towards women and about women and made remarks about minorities...but that's why they play the game right. I think the world is unsure of what will come in the next few years but for America the republicans are gloating as they control the presidency, the house and the senate, say bye bye to the affordable care act among other things we have come accustom to in the past few years. Put your seatbelts on America your in for a bumpy ride.
wow agreed
what a well written statement it took the words right out of my mouth.
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I think change comes from inside out not outside in-we have a great chance to fix shit those in the swamp have neglected long enough-inner citys-our infastructure-the border-getting rid of that bullshit obamacare the unafforble affordable care act-and it is my hope that we can get away from a war nation and move into a peaceful time ,and start a dialog with russia -yup it might be a bumpy ride change always is,after the rides over america will be a better place-its obvious the polls from clinton news network and msn and abc all had the polls wrong its obvious they was rigged-the people picked the right person .
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There's more than the standard interpretation of this..omg...the [splen-druh s] horror .
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Not Ronald Reagan type strong spending wise. Certainly shouldn't be any excuses to see an agenda move forward.

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6 months ago
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Very little difference

a lot of squabbling

filibusters

budget impasses

government shut downs
6 months ago
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Thank you all for your responses...


poker verse...i think at the moment there is a lot of global uncertainty re. the financial markets...the far east ( 'yellow' asia )market has responded downward, fearing a negative impact on existing trade deals....maybe these fears are unfounded.
Militarily...historically you are of course correct..i am a bit concerned about the USA/Iran relationships/nuclear deal...it will be interesting to see how this develops. He also has plans to make Germany pay for the USA military presence in Germany...something Fr. Merkel may not be too acquiescent over...however many German jobs are linked to the USA military presence...interesting.
Will there be any shifts in Afghan related policies..?...time will tell.

cheaps...an exit poll suggested that 53% of non college educated women voted for Trump...and 45% of college educated women also. Whether this reflects upon the appealing alpha-male qualities of Trump, or a dislike of Clinton is also up for conjecture.
Trump did indeed promise pre-election to undo the obama-care program...overt capitalism vs tempered socialism...it will be sad imo if the republican control of both houses enforce this policy.

ed...i also hope that the USA will move in a more peaceful direction in its relations with those it is currently at war with.
Good relations with Putin would certainly help diffuse the re-emerging cold-war.
As for the border...i can't see mexico putting up the ante for that one...$40billion was the latest figure i heard for this...this things usually run over budget too. I also heard( anecdotally) a couple of days ago, that many mexicans are now returning to their homeland these days, as their economy is picking up a bit.

galactydude ..
..long time no wak wak...
...luv ya dude
Yup...the government always gets re-elected ...
You do look, my son, in a moved sort,
As if you were dismay'd: be cheerful, sir.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors,
As I foretold you, were all spirits and
Are melted into air, into thin air:
And, like the baseless fabric of this vision,
The cloud-capp'd towers, the gorgeous palaces,
The solemn temples, the great globe itself,
Ye all which it inherit, shall dissolve
And, like this insubstantial pageant faded,
Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff
As dreams are made on, and our little life
Is rounded with a sleep.


ahhh...curt amigo mio...your cynicism ( realism, surely...ed..)is a lesson to us all...gl to ya always.
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Coachlary...

who did Trump appeal to..? The same sector of the electorate who voted for Brexit methinks. A lot of people will think Trump to be strong leader, without the dirt on his hands that clinton obviously has. His red-neck comments were probably outweighed by those who didn't want to see clinton in at any cost...and it was imo a rebellion against ' the establishment '.

Also, three consecutive terms in the whitehouse for any single party is quite rare i believe. In this respect, i think the change is a good thing....too long in power leads to even more corruption...and hillary is quite well known for a bit of that kind of thing ( allegedly...ed..)

"All things must pass...and work on your own salvation."...Buddha's last words.


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mentalatack (#9) wrote: I think change comes from inside out not outside in-we have a great chance to fix shit those in the swamp have neglected long enough-inner citys-our infastructure-the border-getting rid of that bullshit obamacare the unafforble affordable care act-and it is my hope that we can get away from a war nation and move into a peaceful time ,and start a dialog with russia -yup it might be a bumpy ride change always is,after the rides over america will be a better place-its obvious the polls from clinton news network and msn and abc all had the polls wrong its obvious they was rigged-the people picked the right person .
I agree with all of the above.

The democrats defeated themselves as only half the population voted and they were mostly the black community and millennials. While Trump didn't have as big a turnout of blacks and Hispanics, he had more than the previous two republican candidates - he had a solid base of blacks, Hispanics and women and most people just didn't want to believe it. Personally, I think his supporters saw through the very rough and crude (at times) rhetoric and saw potential solutions the the multiple issues plaguing the country. Whether he can do what he said remains to be said but his platform hit on the things that many Americans are concerned with such as immigration; infrastructure, inner-cities, healthcare, Veterans trade and the military to name just a few.

And why shouldn't Germany or any other country help pay for the security provided by another country... either that or they could just manage on their own? Same with the trade deals... it's clear NAFTA does little for the U.S. - because of the Mexican labour force, there cost of doing business is so much less than the US and Canada it makes sense why so many manufacturing companies have and continue to move there. It's a totally 1-sided deal and needs to be renegotiated. Same with China or any other country - if the terms do not provide a win-win for both countries, it needs to be redrafted.

The people wanted change from the same old - same old and the polititards in Washington continued to work for their own benefit - including Clinton. Had the DNC not stolen the nomination from Sanders, the election result might now be different although I'm not certain he would have been the right choice nor would he have been able to do much.

The time was ripe for someone like Trump and once I started watching, listening and researching the candidates I felt it in my bones that he would win. He's a lot of things that most presidents are not - no question about that but pushing past all the bluster (and crap from his past) I believe he is truly a patriot and loves his country! I believe his intentions are for the good of the people and not for himself. At the end of 4 years my hope is a lot of people will be surprised - in a good way!

The above is my opinion to which I am entitled... I am not looking for an argument or criticism - please and thanks.
6 months ago
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Trump will be a much better president than Obama I can gurantee that
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I loathe politics and politicians and even quasi politicians in all their forms ... , i do find it amusing how elections suddenly make e1 an expert though so let me just say this , just for your amusement ... ,

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I am appalled that America elected a guy who mocked the disabled, made sexually harassing remarks towards women and about women and made remarks about minorities...but that's why they play the game right. I think the world is unsure of what will come in the next few years but for America the republicans are gloating as they control the presidency, the house and the senate, say bye bye to the affordable care act among other things we have come accustom to in the past few years. Put your seatbelts on America your in for a bumpy ride.


... i agree with everything you said .. except america didn't elect him , the electoral college did .. Donald J. Trump✔@realDonaldTrump
The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.


i'm guessing he's changed his tune now ... , in times of trouble

it's easy for some to prey on fear , was probably the ugliest

election i've ever seen , on one side i saw people posting

nothing but personal insults i.e. calling a woman running a

c word as if that's any indication of the issues , yet on

the other side no one bothered to question the character of

a man who conducted himself in a disreputable manner

in public and private consistently ... i get people want

change but change at any cost is akin to cutting off

your nose to spite your face , good job i guess lol
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I'm glad that I obtained a Land Patent for my home to protect me from any issues of imminent domain when the wall is built here in San Diego.


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The above is my opinion to which I am entitled... I am not looking for an argument or criticism - please and thanks.

This truly is kind of baffling to me @SloPowers. Entitlement not a very good thing to be having if you are a poker player (that's one) but more importantly you put your opinion out there so you can expect argument and/or criticism. I think you are right when you are speaking about rough and crude rhetoric which is still being employed by some of the more rowdy Trump supporters (and Hillary supporters alike). I think @Marx is right and this was one of the most ugly elections I have ever seen. The fires that are burning in the political comments, posts and protests by some of the supporters were being fueled by both candidates. I will quote Angela Merkel here : "The election campaign this year was a particular one with some confrontations that were difficult to stomach". I will say this I hope and pray Donald Trump will do well as President for the sake of the USA and the world. I am not holding my breath on it though but he might surprise me. I don't think that in this world you can go on your own (traces of isolationism) and there needs to be dialogue. In other words the USA can't do it on their own plus the other countries can't do it on their own. The world needs unity and love instead of hate and division more then ever and I hope with all my heart he will bring that but again im very doubtful on that. I guess we will have to see what the future will bring

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no one bothered to question the character of a man who conducted himself in a disreputable manner
The MSM kept that at the forefront from the beginning to end - they never missed a beat to let the world know what they thought whether true or not.

@Krabbeltje... 1st - I never feel entitled on the felt. 2nd - I have an opinion which I've expressed frequently and have been criticized and abused for it. I've lost friends and family because of it - all liberals who are so tolerant and accepting (except when you disagree with their so called principles). The time for argument and criticism is over (most people don't really put forth a real argument anyway). It's time to move forward.

You are 'hopeful' but 'doubtful - I am just hopeful!
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most people don't really put forth a real argument anyway
all liberals who are so tolerant and accepting (except when you disagree with their so called principles)

The time for argument and criticism is never over especially when the posts made are still coming and very nasty things are being said. I feel obliged then to call people out on their bullshit. About liberals who aren't tolerant and aren't accepting I could very much say the same about Conservatives and some of the more, let's call em, passionate Trump supporters. About people not putting forth a real argument, again, this isn't only coming from Liberals but also from Conservatives and the passionate Trump supporters. These things you mentioned @SloPowers aren't limited to one side only. I've lost friends also because of it and I will tell you why. I have seen posts which called for the execution of Obama, the Clintons and others because of high treason. I have seen posts which compare both Hillary and Trump to a man who systematically murdered 6 million people because they didn't fit into his picture of a pure race. And the only reason they made the comparison is because they were both, wait for it, evil. These sort of things make my blood boil
so yeah!
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The above is my opinion to which I am entitled... I am not looking for an argument or criticism - please and thanks. ... seems you want something for your opinions you aren't prepared to give to others opinions , that's not how it works , can't have your cake and eat it
too my dear

6 months ago
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Marx (#17) wrote: I loathe politics and politicians and even quasi politicians in all their forms ... , i do find it amusing how elections suddenly make e1 an expert though so let me just say this , just for your amusement ... ,

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I am appalled that America elected a guy who mocked the disabled, made sexually harassing remarks towards women and about women and made remarks about minorities...but that's why they play the game right. I think the world is unsure of what will come in the next few years but for America the republicans are gloating as they control the presidency, the house and the senate, say bye bye to the affordable care act among other things we have come accustom to in the past few years. Put your seatbelts on America your in for a bumpy ride.


... i agree with everything you said .. except america didn't elect him , the electoral college did .. Donald J. Trump✔@realDonaldTrump
The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.


i'm guessing he's changed his tune now ... , in times of trouble

it's easy for some to prey on fear , was probably the ugliest

election i've ever seen , on one side i saw people posting

nothing but personal insults i.e. calling a woman running a

c word as if that's any indication of the issues , yet on

the other side no one bothered to question the character of

a man who conducted himself in a disreputable manner

in public and private consistently ... i get people want

change but change at any cost is akin to cutting off

your nose to spite your face , good job i guess lol
You are right he lost the popular vote but to be honest I am surprised that he got any votes. This is the second time in 4 elections that someone has won the popular vote but lost the election...something wrong with that. I will repeat what I stated in our first thread about voting and such and that is why I don't vote. Maybe if it counting one vote one person I would but with the rigged electoral college I think I'll pass.
6 months ago
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I know there are some on both sides - I can only speak from my perspective. But I have not criticized, name called or been nasty to anyone with a different view... all are entitled to their opinion.

And - dear - I'm not looking to have my cake and eat it too... I've been in the debate and argued my side - feel free to carry on with your condescension.

I have seen posts which called for the execution of Obama, the Clintons
And liberals are now calling for the death of Trump an his followers!
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Con·de·scen·sion
ˌkändəˈsen(t)SH(ə)n/
noun
noun: condescension; plural noun: condescensions

an attitude of patronizing superiority; disdain.
"a tone of condescension"

... that's condescension .. and so is asking others to respect
your opinion while you can't seem to allow others to have theirs

... i would imagine that has something to do with the loss of friends etc. ... your opinions aren't facts , they're simply your opinions , no more or less important than any other opinion

i fail to see where i was nasty with anyone .. but hey people see what they want to see i guess , have a great day sugar ... is sugar ok ?? , nah scratch that , not gonna parse my words for anyone , don't like my posts , don't read em , problem solved

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