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This is a blog about a HU Heads-UP scenario:
The blinds are $25-$50. Player A's stack is $2300. Player A makes a standard 3xBB preflop to $150 in early positon holding AK suited in spades (because that is what player A was taught by reading poker books & articles). Player B calls you in late position. Player B's stack is $5575. *Addition: Player B has been raising quite a few hands PF but this is the first time Player B is calling a hand.* flop comes down 10d, 8c, 6h rainbow, Player A shoves the rest of his stack into a $375. pot.
Player B snaps calls. Player A flips over his cards, grinning, confident that his ace high is still good after that flop. Player B flips over Q-10 suited in hearts and Player A calls Player B the "donkey".
There is actually an important lesson behind this blog that can be quite useful if you can see it. Who do you believe is the "donkey" or bad player here and why or why not. I would like detailed responses not just, "Player A" or "Player B". Please specifically state. Thanks.
The blinds are $25-$50. Player A's stack is $2300. Player A makes a standard 3xBB preflop to $150 in early positon holding AK suited in spades (because that is what player A was taught by reading poker books & articles). Player B calls you in late position. Player B's stack is $5575. *Addition: Player B has been raising quite a few hands PF but this is the first time Player B is calling a hand.* flop comes down 10d, 8c, 6h rainbow, Player A shoves the rest of his stack into a $375. pot.
Player B snaps calls. Player A flips over his cards, grinning, confident that his ace high is still good after that flop. Player B flips over Q-10 suited in hearts and Player A calls Player B the "donkey".
There is actually an important lesson behind this blog that can be quite useful if you can see it. Who do you believe is the "donkey" or bad player here and why or why not. I would like detailed responses not just, "Player A" or "Player B". Please specifically state. Thanks.
Comments
402
7 months ago
Lol again..i edited my first comment out of the thread altogether...good weed..:)
bad play by player A....ak is adrawing hand..albeit the best one...info is needed about player B's hand before player A can shove....
ak is relatively crushed by 22 here post flop....if player A was gonna jam the flop regardless, they should have shoved pre....then they could be called unlucky rather than impatient...
:)
bad play by player A....ak is adrawing hand..albeit the best one...info is needed about player B's hand before player A can shove....
ak is relatively crushed by 22 here post flop....if player A was gonna jam the flop regardless, they should have shoved pre....then they could be called unlucky rather than impatient...
:)
898
7 months ago
The over bet jam by Player A is terrible . . . nothing he beats will call, and if he gets called he is crushed. This is never the situation you want to be in. Also, the bet size does not say "I have the nuts" it says "please fold, please fold" . . . . Player B could read this as an obvious AK
Almost always, the person who starts the name calling in the chat box knows he is in the wrong
Almost always, the person who starts the name calling in the chat box knows he is in the wrong
1288
7 months ago
Its player A he made the rite play PF but pushing all in after with nota to me is a donk move of all donk moves lol im thinking player B put him on ak aq aj and knows if any of them cards dont come and he hit flop 95% of the time his hand is good lets look at this hand i have jj utg a hand i dont like al that much lp raised it up 3 times the bb i just call heads up to the flop and 392rainbow i ck and lp bets pot i push and he has 88 he told me nh and well played do you know why i do most of the time in that spot players anr pushing with ak aq aj and going to get called 75% of the time bye good players you see it took me a long time to let a hand like ak go when you dont hit on flop i mean you can call it all the way down but at the end of the day its only AK AND 22 BEATS IT hope my reply help you some what if nt maybe next time
289
7 months ago
Think its already been answered !!!! Agree with Curt and monkey boy. No need to push 43 bbs worth into the pot with a draw. Player B may have folded and you've won 3BB - well done!!! Downside is that you are out. If the blinds were 250/500 I can understand it! Incidentally was it me that was player A
10
7 months ago
Looks like you guys have covered it but this over shove into that board doesnt make much sense..I would put out a continuation bet 2/3rds of pot and see where you stand..Then re-evaluate on the turn..like stated above there is no reason to risk 43bigs when K10, A10, 1010 or even Q10 in this case could be in the opponents calling range.
386
7 months ago
Gotta agree with the majority here,if i was player A i understand the 3 bet with AK but missing the flop he put his tourny life on the line by shoving with ace high, kinda think if thats what poker books teach you im glad i dont read much because i think just another continuation bet of about 300 would of forst player b out if he had air,if player b called that post flop then i would assume he had something better then ace high and even though i lost alot of my stack there i would still be alive for the next hand,my opinion only,but i think a few here must have read that same book ,lol jking
131
7 months ago
The correct answer is: NEITHER player is right in this situation. It's over 40 blinds. Player B calling player A on the flop even though his flop equity is 75% vs a random hand has to make you wonder whether the call is worth putting your tournament on the line. Context: Player B has no info on Player A. This is the 1st time they are playing together. How important is it to place tournament life over equity look at the stack sizes-it's for over 40 blinds. Is this call really worth it? How much would you take context into consideration? Just some food for thought.
11,583,935 games 10.719 secs 1,080,691 games/sec
Board:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
QThh Hand 0: 76.948% 75.86% 01.09% 8787617 125990.00
Random Hand 1: 23.052% 21.96% 01.09% 2544355 125990.00
11,583,935 games 10.719 secs 1,080,691 games/sec
Board:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
QThh Hand 0: 76.948% 75.86% 01.09% 8787617 125990.00
Random Hand 1: 23.052% 21.96% 01.09% 2544355 125990.00
Edited by MELODYME 7 months ago
