Phil Hellmuth and Doug Polk talk GTO, WSOP and more on Doug Polk Podcast

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Dave Consolazio
Dave Consolazio
Posted on: August 16, 2021 16:03 PDT

Doug Polk launched a podcast last month that has already put out some fantastic content. Polk has had Bill Perkins on to go over his heads-up challenge win against Landon Tice. He has interviewed Jason Les (the CEO of Riot Blockchain) to talk about Bitcoin. Finally, Polk spoke with Daniel Negreanu about their heads-up match and newfound friendship. In yet another coup, Polk added a fourth big name to his already impressive string of guests on Monday in an interview with Phil Hellmuth.

The conversation lasted for just under two hours and can be viewed in its entirety on the Doug Polk Podcast channel on YouTube. Polk’s interview style worked well with Hellmuth’s willingness to discuss a variety of topics. The podcast host wasn’t afraid to push back on certain points, but for the most part avoided arguing and let Hellmuth speak and articulate his points. Here are just a few highlights from their discussion.

How Hellmuth believes he can beat GTO poker

Polk asked Hellmuth if he was familiar with solver outputs. Hellmuth went on to tell a story about how he once studied game theory optimal (GTO) poker for a couple of hours, and was able to carry what he learned into a victory in the very next tournament he played in. Not by playing GTO, but by using his opponent’s strategies against them.

“It was the first time I realized that they were floating me on every flop,” Hellmuth explained. “And I was laying down a lot of those hands. And I’m like, alright, these guys are going to float me every flop, I’m going to bomb every turn.”